In the 1990's at my first visit to Mountain View Family Dentistry at University Drive and Lindsay Road in Mesa, Arizona, I was told sternly that I was infected with advancing gum disease, and I was required to brush, floss, and rinse with Listerine after every meal, followed by no intake for 1/2 hour afterward. Never in my life had I flossed my teeth regularly, nor had I ever been a diligent brusher, but I served my sentence, and at the following examination, I was told my condition had improved.
Fast forward to April 6, 2010 at Bright Now! Dental at Greenfield Road and Baseline Road in Gilbert Arizona. I listened as the periodontal pocket depths were read one by one around my mouth, and I was alarmed to hear "6" fourteen times and "7" once. I had periodontal gum disease pockets 7 millimeters deep. That is over 1/4" deep!
For a few years I had been waiting for an excuse to fast for several days. The results of that dental exam alarmed me so much that I got on the internet to research gum disease cures, and bought that very day a Philips Sonicare toothbrush and a Water Pik water flosser and began preparing for a long water fast (fasting is a technical subject and a lost art not to be undertaken lightly; I had studied fasting for a few years).
My internet research on gum disease cures didn't specify fasting, but I was previously interested in fasting, and I knew it was helpful for all kinds of infections and diseases. What my research prompted me to do was buy a Water Pik and use bleach in it for a while based on the recommendations at http://www.periodontaldiseasetreatmentguide.com/ that were allegedly published by the American Academy of Periodontology in 2004. Also based on that guide I bought some Stimudent toothpicks.
My fast lasted 12 days. By the end of it I had zero acne and zero ear infection symptoms. So it's likely my gum disease was also severely weakened.
After my fast, my oral hygiene has mainly consisted of using the Philips Sonicare brush and the Water Pik (sometimes with diluted Listerine in the reservoir) once daily before an intentional nightly fast. I have had two exams since April 6, At the most recent exam the worst readings were fifteen "4"s and four "5"s. That's improvement! (December 2011 update: fifteen "4"s and one "5") (December 2012 update: "no problems" and no charge for periodontal cleaning) I'll discuss the three components of my routine below:
Philips Sonicare toothbrush
The Philips Sonicare toothbrush was recommended by my dentist. It replaced the Braun Oral B Sonic Complete brush I was using previously. I rock it around to find and brush or rock gently with particular attention to the areas of maximum sensitivity around my teeth. This is not an endorsement for the Philips Sonicare toothbrush or even for sonic toothbrushes in general. It's merely a report of what I did. But I believe brushing for two minutes was a key part of my healing, and I believe good results were easier with a sonic brush.
Water Pik
I use the Water Pik (classic jet or pocket tip) on about 1 or 2 power (out of ten), the minimum that will force water into my gums. I try to remember it is an irrigator, not a sandblaster. I use the nozzle that has a flexible needle-nose tip or the smallest glass nozzle to push down between teeth and gum. After I eat and brush, the Water Pik invariably flushes out additional seeds and bits of food. When I brush and water floss properly and regularly, I have no bad morning breath. Sometimes I follow the water flossing with a Hydrogen Peroxide or Listerine rinse.
Intentional Nightly Fast
Not just for oral hygiene, to reverse my gum disease, but for overall good health, I do my best to prolong my nightly fast between my water flossing and my breakfast. It's very reasonable to have a customary fast of 12 hours or more with nothing but plentiful water consumption. I have to confess I often feel so nice with my clean morning teeth and stomach that I don't eat until noon, prolonging my nightly fast for as much as 18 hours. Even so, I don't doubt a customary 12-hour fast (say from 6:00 to 6:00) would be effective for my mouth hygiene as well as my general health. (2021 update: This has now been popularized using the term "Intermittent Fasting".)Swishing
Throughout the day, I swished water through my teeth vigorously and frequently, especially after any snacks or meals. See also my recent experience with Oil Pulling.Summary, I have in 8 months reduced my periodontitis from fourteen 6-mm pockets and one 7-mm pocket to fifteen 4-mm pockets and four 5-mm pockets (December 2011 update: fifteen "4"s and one "5") (December 2012 update: "no problems" and no charge for periodontal cleaning) by beginning with a 12-day water fast (I happened to have the necessary knowledge) and maintaining with a nightly sonic brushing, water flossing, and 12-hour or longer fast.
Now for a conscientious plea: Hug and thank a family member. Then would you please consider moving all your money including your retirement from stocks and banks to a credit union? It matters.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 222 of 222Sorry to jump in on this Tom,
Anonymous, when I had deep pockets I never felt a thing, I also had quite a bit of bone loss nor were any of my teeth loose. Personally, I would get a deep cleaning and then floss,Waterpik and then brush in that order. Be sure to use the Waterpik Pocket Tip also, my pockets went from 8-9 down to 2 and 3's. This worked for me,The bone loss can't be reversed from what I have been told but you can take care of the extra exposed teeth that came from it.
Fasting for 12 days cannot be good at all and will lead to malnourishment and extreme weight loss. You also do not want to be putting bleach in your mouth, it is a poison.
I never have had periodontal issues, I’m 63 yrs old and was recently told I have 2 10mm pockets at #3 and #30 and they said that srp and arrestin should reduce those pockets. My question, can the dg really reach the base of those pockets to scale them properly or is it a waste of my money to have her try and should I then just cxl and go to a periodontist to flap my gums?? Anxiously awaiting your response since my appt is this Sept 19, 2018
I’m 63 yrs old and have never had periodontal issues. I was told by a new dentist that #3 and #30 molars have pockets of 10mm. My question, will it be a waste of time and money for the DG to do a srp and arrestin under the pretense that she can reach the base of those pockets and help reduce those pockets or should I cxl and just go to a periodontist to flap my gums?? Anxiously awaiting your response since my appt is scheduled for Sept 19, 2018..
Unfortunately I don't know the answer to that.
Tom
I’m surprised you don’t have an answer to my issue when you seem to have plenty of answers for many of your other guests.. I don’t mean to sound condescending, forgive me if it comes out that way. I just had some faith that you could give me some insight??
No worries. I only know what I know.
Tom
If you are motivated to make big changes like nightly irrigation and ninja swishing, it probably wouldn't hurt to postpone the cleaning a few months to see how things look after you change you ways. But only if it's clear to you that you will be doing something different for the intervening months.
Tom
I have one 10mm pocket and one 7mm pocket. My two back upper teeth. Hygienist told me her tools can only go as deep as 6 mm and that I should go to a periodontist for surgery.. I’m not ready to have my sensitive teeth scraped down to the bone. I’ll try a water pik, and starve. Then in March I’ll see if any improvements. Going to have x-ray done too.
Fingers crossed. I hope the nightly waterpik is as miraculous for you as it was for me.
Tom
hello Thomas,
Thank you for your article.
I read this article in 2015 and then I had to go through a deep cleaning of my gums.
I had several 7 mm pockets, 6 mm pockets and most 4 or 5 .
The deepest pockets were all in the back of my mouth (lower and upper).
After the treatment, I didn't visit the dentist anymore and after 3 years I decided to do a check.
It took so long because I was very busy, fed up with the dentist and mostly didn't had any issues.
Now it seems my gums are basically in the same conditions as 3 years ago, even little bit improvement.
So did another deep cleaning sessions and today was my second and last cleaning.
Last month I also got a new filling. Old one was 10 years old.
Beside that one filling I don't have any holes in my teeth, just the gums are the issue.
Now my gums are completely cleaned and I want to keep it that way.
I have a waterfloss at home and just purchased the sonic care toothbrush (which is quite amazingly good, cleans the teeth very good).
My plan is to brush teeth after the last meal, use floss, use the water flosser and use oil pulling at night or in the morning.
After every meal/snack I will swish with water to keep it clean.
After water floss, I will swish with sea salt water for disinfection.
What do you think, would this be a good regime?
And of course try to eat healthy food.
Erdal,
You plan is good. The most important thing is diligent persistence in carrying it out. https://tomsthird.blogspot.com/2012/12/top-ten-actions-to-reverse-gum-recession.html Item 1.
"1. Keep your teeth clean all the time. Make near 100% home care compliance a reality. Rinse promptly after putting any calories in your mouth, and go to sleep with clean teeth almost every night without fail. This may require some difficult spiritual work (learning to release control and enjoy a simple, slow, harmonious life), and it may be more a result than a cause, but you probably won't see your recession reverse until you see near 100% compliance happen. This is number one, and it is more important than anything else."
I'm sorry I missed your comment. I hope everything is turning out okay.
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Tom, thanks so much. I found this blog a few days ago and have been obsessively reading all your posts on this every chance I get. This is fascinating, and the first and only thing that has given me hope. I was wondering, have you known of anyone else who’s tried your method or similar and had the same or similar results? Do you know anyone else who’s healed their gum disease doing the stuff you did? I know it’s going to vary by person and circumstances, but I’m wondering if you’ve seen it replicated.
Really glad you posted that article where you got your information from (by Donahue) because I can’t seem to find it anywhere else and that periodontal site is no longer active.
All the best to you.
Thanks for the post Tom! I have studied it for years in my little spare time.
I have shown solid improvements to my periodontal disease over the years from 5-9mm pockets to mostly 2-4mm, with couple 5's and 7's, I am still learning more.
Key points that worked for me (2017-2020)
1. Drastic diet improvements, removed all refined carbs & sugars, only eat low-GI food
2. Acidic food like apple cider vinegar & saurkraut
3. Water swishing after every meal as you suggested, no snacks.
4. Mouth breathing (dry mouth) contributes heavily to gum disease, I have employed various methods like myofunctional therapy & buteyko to encourage nose breathing. I don't have sleep apnea anymore, but I am still only at an intermediate level of those methods.
New things I'm still learning from you this year (2021)
1. Water fasting has shown huge improvement to my teeth
2. Most toothbrushes cause recession - Reducing your brushing left me puzzled and led me to discover most toothbrushes cause gum recession (the irony!), I have since switched to "nimbus" ultra-soft brush. comparably the generic "very soft" brush I was using for years is like scraping my gums with needless.
3. Toothbrushes harden fast - it doesn't end there, toothbrushes harden every time they're used which reinforces your theories! The only remedy I've found was running the toothbrush on the hottest tap water before use, that restores the original softness but only lasts for one brushing.
4. Flossing contributes to recession - again the irony! When you said you don't use conventional flosses, I thought you were crazy! After years of research there are now many studies/dentists pointing out that floss occasionally cuts into gums contributing to gum recession. I personally don't like my waterpik so I've switched to interdental brushes instead.
Thank you kind sir, and keep up the good work!
Wow! Thanks for sharing that information. I didn't know all that. And congratulations.
Btw point #2 was supposed to be "*Avoiding* Acidic foods like...".
You're most welcome sir!
I'm surprised no one here has mentioned xylitol at all. If you research the effect it has on oral health, it's pretty astounding. There is a company now that even makes a specialized tip for waterpiks where one can place a xylitol tablet to get it into pockets. It's scientifically well documented that it helps tremendously with gum health and preventing tooth decay, and it's shocking to me how few people in the US know about it. There are many testimonials online where people have successfully reversed their gum disease using it.
Thanks for the tip.
Tom
Hi Tom
I’ve been following this blog for years on and off and often wonder how your gum health is now? I’ve learnt a lot from you an d what you have done is literally a life saver to a lot of people
Cheers
Hi, C.R.
My gums are still great. I clean my teeth every night by sonic brushing without toothpaste and then irrigating with my WaterPik. I also swish with water and use a toothpick when necessary after eating until my teeth are relatively clean during the day. Due to the pandemic, I have not been to the dentist in over a year, but I expect the same glowing report next time I go now that I am faithful with my cleaning.
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